But I am not the person who tells you what you WANT to hear, but maybe, what you need to hear. Out of love.
I do not expect people to agree with me, but i do hope it will be acknowledged, that, this is a labor of love above all. Also, i am not going to terrorize you with images of this topic. Too ghastly. It might re-traumatize people.
What we can do is Prevent people from traumatizing others if possible, and that, is a worthy goal.
Many, many years ago, before the internet, i found exactly what this fellow Eric Clopper found. In books, medical journals, histories. At the Library, mostly. This was before the internet. It gave me a lot to ponder. But i did not stop there. I have had quite a bit of experience with babies, boys and girls, circumcised and not. For example i can tell you the baby is distressed for many days, and often given painkillers of various sorts to quite them. The high pitched scream of pain is very unlike a normal baby cry of discomfort. You have to directly lie to, and within yourself for many days to Force yourself to believe “they do not feel excruciating pain”. Because it is, in direct contradiction to reality of suffering as you witness it. “Thout shalt not lie.”, really? Better, Be honest with yourself, always. The moment you lie to yourself, it all begins to go wrong. Once that happens, it is hard to find your way back. One lie, begets whole prison of other lies… and no one can save you from it.
Lack of nurturing touch will produce a failure to thrive in all babies. No exceptions.
We do know this procedure hurts the baby. This is Obvious. One thing everyone is afraid to ask is how it effects the mother child relationship. How must a mother change HERSELF to endure this procedure and the after effects? What empathy must be severed? It is possible for a father to distance himself somewhat. All the easier to live with. Less so the primary caregiver, who ever they may be.
This is in the crucial formative first year, first moments, of his vulnerable life.
Then i saw a documentary. An older woman whose child was getting circumcised, was asked a single question. “ Doesn’t it hurt the baby?” She snapped back “How should I know?” She does know. Of course she does. Her nervous system is wired into his. She cannot, Not Know. Yet, this response…? It was so unnerving to me. It is against the natural order. An inversion of the life impulse at its most normative.
As a mother, that is one of your jobs to know.
No other part of your job is so important.
How many women detach themselves from their offspring in this way?
And is this detachment from the suffering of your child permanent?
If not, how long does it last?
How much does it change the way she nurtures her son?
Will she look less at him?
Will she become habitually less empathic of him?
How much subconscious guilt will she carry for harming him?
What are the effects on the developing child to be so abandoned? Trust issues? Developmental delays or even prevention?
I know this research has and not will not ever be done. You will never see mothers coming forwards to prove how much better they are as mothers because the circumcised their sons, compared to similar women who did not.
This is not all i read. I wanted to understand how people justify open cruelty, to a fragile innocent in their sacred care. A treasure beyond price. A new life they made. It would take a lot of repression of natural protective impulses to do. Every year some children die from it. It is just too much for their system. 1.3 of all neonatal deaths annually in the USA are circumcision - related deaths. So, we need to be clear it is pretty brutal on these little guys. Most people do not even know death is one possible outcome, until it is too late. Of course the Parents and doctors of the murdered baby will say nothing about this. The shame alone will see to that. The silence, is deafening.
This absolutely does leave a psychic wound. Not just, a physical one. We know trauma leads to later issues of disease and disorder. Would they have a deeply repressed mistrust or even a secret hatred, of women, for instance? I have read some studies that suggest this. They are now hidden tho. They were studies of those convicted of rape, in countries with a very low circumcision rate, for example. Correlation does not equal causation. But, indeed I have been looking at this for decades. And epigenetically what does it do to the generations? To men? What have we done to them?
Does it make women feel more insecure in their own attachment? Would they become more controlling because they feel, deep down UNworthy of love, for their betrayal?
What we think we know, is, Individually it does this to the child, and on some level the mother Must know…
Neonatal male circumcision is associated with altered adult socio-affective processing
Neonatal male circumcision is a painful skin-breaking procedure that may affect infant physiological and behavioral stress responses as well as mother-infant interaction. Due to the plasticity of the developing nociceptive system, neonatal pain might carry long-term consequences on adult behavior. In this study, we examined whether infant male circumcision is associated with long-term psychological effects on adult socio-affective processing.
Methods
We recruited 408 men circumcised within the first month of life and 211 non-circumcised men and measured socio-affective behaviors and stress via a battery of validated psychometric scales.
Results
Early-circumcised men reported lower attachment security and lower emotional stability while no differences in empathy or trust were found. Early circumcision was also associated with stronger sexual drive and less restricted socio-sexuality along with higher perceived stress and sensation seeking.
Limitations
This is a cross-sectional study relying on self-reported measures from a US population.
Conclusions
Our findings resonate with the existing literature suggesting links between altered emotional processing in circumcised men and neonatal stress. Consistent with longitudinal studies on infant attachment, early circumcision might have an impact on adult socio-affective traits or behavior.
What are the changes to the mother child relationship? The father child relationship? If these relationships are altered, All others will be as well. It radiates outwards, and effects all of us. What we do not know is HOW, exactly. It could be a Factor in producing more narcissists, more psychopaths. It impacts the forming of a healthy ego in the precise formative years this does, or does not take place. You know i am all about root causes, and this Needs to be cleared up.
Has anyone thought of a way to study this?
Well, not that there is any way they would get funding.
It is almost as if this procedure, is a precious mind control tool of those who know how to harness it, and must be protected at all costs. Since Trauma based mind control has been used since ancient times, this is not at all outside the realm of possibility.
Here is something most people have No idea of.
There IS a profit motive. Not just for the medical field bean counters.
Yes, hospitals do sell foreskin.
Like they sell any other perfectly healthy organ. The beauty industry just gobbles it up. There are a few books that go into this deeply. This one is a tolerable read “This-Penis-Business” - by Georganne-Chapin . I bet you will be gobsmacked at just the figures she shows you. She back them up well enough too. For example:
SkinMedica insist no actual human tissue is included in their final product. They use only the growth hormones derived from foreskin tissue. While it is estimated that a single male foreskin can retail for around $100,000—SkinMedica says they have been cultivating their product from the same willfully donated slab of foreskin for fifteen years. This explains why their foreskin facial creams sell for $150 an ounce.
In 2013, television personality Oprah Winfrey began advertising the virtues of SkinMedica, an anti-wrinkle face cream made from human foreskin fibroblasts that promised to “rapidly restore the skin’s barrier and moisture balance.” SkinMedica claimed that it hasn’t bought a foreskin in twenty years—that just one “donated” foreskin is the gift that keeps on giving. — Georganne Chapin, author of “This Penis Business” (Lucid House Publishing, 2024)
For more info, in depth: https://intactamerica.org/economics-of-circumcision/
It is possible these beauty cremes work. “Infant’s foreskin has special cell properties , similar to those found in stem cells. Their versatility means that they can be used to cultivate skin cells.
Cosmetic testing: All those cruelty-free cosmetics you buy? Some of them are tested on foreskins. This yields better results, since they’re human skin. And it saves the lives of the rodents your shampoo would otherwise be tested on.
It is estimated that a single male foreskin can retail for around $100,000, which means that companies like SkinMedica – who use baby foreskin to create their skin care product – sell their foreskin facial creams for $150 an ounce.”
—-The above, According to this article, from 2016: https://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/03/3-wayscorporationsprofitoffbaby-foreskin14/
I have never tried these products. Will never, probably. I decided on the natural look long ago and that ship cannot even be seen on the horizon. I always understood that the Aphrodite stage was short, but, at least i had one. But, that is in no way what i would rely on for my positive self image. What i do rely on, i will leave up to your imagination.
The fact that so many women seem to me, to value only that part of themselves, so much, (more than any other part) and that they support such barbarity is proof of a total failure in cultural integrity or self awareness in the individuals IN the culture. Total inversion of values.
It's crazy that they do this procedure so close to birth.
It's also crazy that the American medical system claims benefits from it. Meanwhile in Europe and the rest of the world, it's only done by request.
I remember my mother had to argue with the hospital to not do it to my brother or I!
The first months of an infant set imprints for basic survival.
Perhaps the practice is there to make good servants?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)